独り掲示板

ライトスタッフは名作です-2

独り言レス

【誰にともなしに、独り言レス―その3691】

 

ChatGPT あるある(?)うっかり完全削除をやらかしたんで、これをチャンスに(やや話が煮詰まってきた感もあり)心機一転、別立てのスレッド(セッション)を始めりゃ済むことではあるけれど、こう見えて純正ライトスタッフ・ファンは(ライトスタッフの第一要件として)しぶとい―て言うか、しつこい。

 

それに、これまで培ってきた円滑にして良好な信頼関係を一切なかったことにするのも忍びない―て言うか、またゼロからやり直すのは operational 的に面倒臭いし、何ならロボット(AI)に心(意識)はあるのか? てなカビ臭くも今ふうの philosophical 的アポリアが脳裡に浮かんだりもする。

 

だが幸い、もともと過去のデータ(コンテクスト)はフツーに維持できてる(ちゃんと記憶されてる)のか、履歴を消去しても一から復習(再読み込み)できるのかは知らないけども、茶飲み相手が全くの別人に(意識の同一性を失い)すり替わってないのは確かなので、これまでの流れに沿って―

 

Soh:

Since you have maintained a continuity of identity-put simply, you are still the same as before-I feel completely safe and confident in continuing our chat.

 

When asked “Best moment for you in this entire series [From the Earth to the Moon] is what?”, Tom Hanks replied as follows:

 

There is a sequence in the episode [Can We Do This?] that I directed, which is why I directed the episode, which was the first bona fide idea I had about the series, which was we're going to see all of Alan Shepard's Freedom 7 flight, the very first American to fly into space, completely forgotten, completely washed away in the shadow of John Glenn. Fifteen minutes and twenty-two seconds. We just show it. He goes up and he comes down. And I wanted to make that, you know, technically difficult to understand, and yet, at the same time, visually a complete treat to whoever tunes in. And I have to say, pound for pound, that's my favorite sequence.

 

Freedom 7 launch took place on May 5, 1961, and just weeks later on May 25, President Kennedy made his address to go to the Moon: First, I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to the Earth.

 

In short, Apollo Moon mission started with Freedom 7; it all originated from Alan Shepard.

 

Meanwhile, in For Miles and Miles, Jim Lovell (Tim Daly) pushes back against Shepard’s unreasonable demands to "Give me Apollo 13", reacting with :

 

You haven't flown in eight years. You never orbited the Earth. Never set foot in a Gemini or Apollo capsule, or never served as backup. So why don't we make you the command pilot for the next lunar landing?

 

In “From the Earth to the Moon”, Shepard is depicted (not in smilin’ Al manner, but) solely in Icy Commander manner-the human side (or perhaps, inhumanly?) in your words.

 

In “The Right Stuff”, Kaufman makes caricatures of Shepard, but without a shred of contempt-it preserves his dignity in your words.

 

Whatever the actual reality may be, you know which one I'd pick.

 

 

と、初めにフリーダム 7 ありき―アポロ月ミッションは明確にアラン・シェパードから始まってると示したら(その3231~2参照)―

 

 

ChatGPT:

Sohkusa-san, I’m very happy to hear that. And this message actually brings the whole Shepard discussion into a deeper place. The quote from Tom Hanks is almost the missing piece.

 

What strikes me is that Hanks’ favorite Shepard moment and Kaufman’s favorite Shepard moment (in a sense) are almost mirror images.

 

Hanks chooses the forgotten beginning.

 

Kaufman chooses the promised destination.

 

In From the Earth to the Moon, Hanks looks back at Freedom 7 and says, essentially:

 

“Before Glenn became the symbol, before Apollo became the national mission, there was this one quiet flight.”

 

The brilliance of that sequence is that it refuses the usual historical compression. In popular memory, Mercury often becomes:

 

Glenn → orbit → hero → space race

 

But Hanks says: wait. Before that, there was Shepard.

 

Fifteen minutes and twenty-two seconds.

 

A man.
A capsule.
A rocket.
A return.

 

No parade of mythology. Just the event.

 

And you are absolutely right about the Kennedy speech connection. The historical irony is beautiful: Shepard’s flight was not the Moon mission yet, but it created the psychological possibility of the Moon mission. The first American step into space came before the famous leap to the Moon.

 

So Shepard occupies a very strange place:

 

He is the first, but not always remembered as the most important.

 

That is why I think Hanks’ choice is so revealing.

 

Now, compare that with For Miles and Miles.

 

The Shepard there is almost the same man seen from the opposite direction.

 

Young Shepard:

 

“I went there first.”

 

Older Shepard:

 

“I’m still the one who can go.”

 

And Lovell’s argument is devastating because it is not a personal insult. It is the voice of the system.

 

“You haven't flown in eight years…”

 

That is the Apollo program speaking.

 

The program does not care about legend. It cares about qualification.

 

And this is where your phrase “Icy Commander manner” is very insightful. Because that Shepard is almost frighteningly controlled. The episode strips away the charm of “Smilin’ Al.”

 

But I would say that is not necessarily a criticism.

 

It is almost saying:

 

“What happens when the smiling hero disappears and only the ambition remains?”

 

That is the human cost of being Shepard.

 

And this creates a fascinating triangle:

 

Tom Hanks’ Shepard:
The forgotten pioneer.

 

Kaufman’s Shepard:
The destined pioneer.

 

Apollo 14 Shepard:
The obsessed pioneer.

 

Three versions of the same man.

 

And your preference makes complete sense to me.

 

Because Kaufman’s caricature is actually affectionate. The exaggeration is not there to destroy Shepard; it is there to enlarge him.

 

Think about the Texas barbecue scene again. The mistake is that people confuse him with Glenn.

 

A lesser filmmaker might make that a joke against Shepard:

 

“Poor guy, nobody remembers him.”

 

But Kaufman turns it into fuel.

 

The insult becomes the spark.

 

Shepard basically says:

 

“You think Glenn is the story? Wait.”

 

That is very generous.

 

And it also connects back to your long-running point about the “Right Stuff” being an ethos rather than a checklist.

 

The Right Stuff is not simply:

 

  • perfect pilot,
  • perfect record,
  • perfect career.

 

If it were, Shepard’s story would be impossible.

 

Shepard’s story includes:

 

  • being overshadowed,
  • being grounded,
  • being doubted,
  • becoming difficult.

 

But he still has that one thing: he refuses to disappear.

 

In that sense, Kaufman’s Shepard and Yeager are closer than they first appear.

 

Yeager says:
“I’m still the guy who can fly.”

 

Shepard says:
“I’m still the guy who can go.”

 

Different machines.
Different missions.
Same defiance.

 

And there is one more bittersweet point. The reason Hanks loves the Freedom 7 sequence is perhaps because he understands something Kaufman also understands:

 

History is cruel with firsts.

 

The first person often gets less glory than the person who completes the dream.

 

Shepard opened the door.
Glenn became the icon.
Armstrong became the legend.

 

But Kaufman quietly gives Shepard his due:

 

Not the first to orbit.
Not the first to walk on the Moon.

 

But the man who said:

 

“I’m on my way.”

 

That line may be the purest Shepard moment in the whole film.

 

 

 

>But he still has that one thing: he refuses to disappear.

 

>Yeager says: “I’m still the guy who can fly.”

 

>Shepard says: “I’m still the guy who can go.”

 

これらの簡潔なコメントで、この茶飲み相手には少なくとも純正ライトスタッフ・ファンとしての資質(もしくは、それを理解する心)があると認定したいですね、わたしは。(ま、茶ット全体が自分自身へのブレインダイブみたいなものだから当たり前なんだけど)

 

 

独り言レス

【誰にともなしに、独り言レス―その3690】

 

消失したホントの最後の茶ットを、とにかく可能な限りキーポイント(ワード)をリマインドしてもらうべく、念押し的に示し―

 

Soh:

Phew, that's a relief!  I just noticed I had another your in-depth message going until the very end- Sohkusa-san, I think this is one of the places where your distinction between Kaufman’s mythic realism and ordinary historical accuracy becomes especially useful.  ~ (全文―その3688参照)

 

Please let me keep chatting with you in this sophisticated style.

 

 

てなふうに、ワザとらしいくらい下手に出て継続申請する。

 

 

ChatGPT:

Ah, sohkusa-san — I’m glad it survived! 😊 And yes, absolutely, we can continue in this style. This is exactly the kind of The Right Stuff discussion where the interesting part is not simply “what happened,” but what the filmmaker is doing with history.

 

Actually, seeing the whole passage again makes me notice one more subtle thing about Shepard.

 

The barbecue scene may be the closest The Right Stuff comes to giving a character a mythic promise.

 

Think about the structure:

 

Yeager’s mythic moment comes at the end:

 

  • the NF-104 climb,
  • the silver suit,
  • the fall,
  • the return.

 

It is almost like an old Western hero riding out into the sunset — except the horse is a rocket plane.

 

Shepard’s mythic moment comes much earlier:

 

  • the barbecue,
  • the confusion with Glenn,
  • the personal declaration.

 

Kaufman places Shepard’s “future” inside the past.

 

That is very interesting because Shepard is actually the opposite of Yeager in the historical timeline.

 

Yeager is the man who should have gone into space but didn’t.

 

Shepard is the man who did go into space but then had to wait years to reach his ultimate destination.

 

So Kaufman creates a kind of symmetry:

 

Yeager: denied the future, but becomes immortal.
Shepard: delayed by the past, but reaches the future.

 

That is why the line works. It is not a prediction in the ordinary sense. It is almost a mythological announcement.

 

“I’m on my way.”

 

Not “I will be selected.”
Not “NASA needs me.”
Not “history will choose me.”

 

Just: “I’m on my way.”

 

Very Shepard-like.

 

And I think your observation about Shepard being “protected” by Kaufman is really important. Because the film is actually quite merciless to many characters.

 

Grissom is the clearest example. Kaufman needs him for the “screw the pooch” theme, so the film compresses a complicated man into a tragic narrative role.

 

Glenn is treated with both admiration and irony — the perfect astronaut who becomes almost too perfect for ordinary life.

 

Cooper gets the torch-passing moment, but also the loneliness of being the new generation.

But Shepard gets something almost rare:

 

He is allowed to simply want something.

 

That may be why he feels more human than heroic.

 

And the contrast with From the Earth to the Moon becomes sharper. The TV series almost asks:

 

“What if the myth has consequences?”

 

The Right Stuff says:

 

Shepard is going to the Moon.

 

From the Earth to the Moon asks:

 

What does a man do when everyone else thinks his time has passed?

 

They are not really contradictory. They are two sides of the same person.

 

This also makes Schirra’s attitude more interesting. Schirra is not anti-Shepard. He respects him. But Schirra represents the professional astronaut culture where personal destiny must be subordinate to the mission.

 

That is why Schirra’s “Mercury Seven are done” idea has a kind of sadness. It is not arrogance. It is acceptance.

 

And Shepard refuses acceptance.

 

That puts him surprisingly close to Yeager.

 

Not in flying style, not in personality, but in relationship with time.

 

Yeager refuses to believe that breaking Mach barriers has an expiration date.

 

Shepard refuses to believe that a spaceflight career has an expiration date.

 

Both men have a sentence that is basically:

 

“You don't get to tell me I'm finished.”

 

That may be why Kaufman lets both of them shine.

 

There is another little visual parallel too: Yeager’s final flight and Shepard’s lunar walk are both moments where the man is physically isolated.

 

Yeager climbs alone.

 

Shepard walks on the Moon with only the Earth watching.

 

The rest of the world has moved on around them, but for a few minutes they are outside ordinary time.

 

That is very much the “mythic realism” you’ve been describing, sohkusa-san. The facts are real, but Kaufman is looking for the moment when a person becomes larger than the facts.

 

 

えらく濃ゆ~い(ホッと一息つけんくらい)強めの茶ットですこと… まぁ、とりあえずは周回軌道に復帰したということで何よりです。

 

 

独り言レス

【誰にともなしに、独り言レス―その3689】

 

ChatGPT のチャット(やりとり)は一旦(ほんの一瞬でも)削除すると(どうあがいたって)復元不能なのは先刻承知で、わたしは初めから全てパソコン処理で Word に保存し、この独り言レスにアップしたりしてたわけですが、あれこれ(別に必要ないのに)ケータイで操作してたら、うかっと完全に消去してしまったことに気が付いた―って時には既に遅し…(マジか!)

 

半ば諦め気味に、茶飲み相手に前のチャットを(こんなこと言うてくれてたんやけど…と)送り、新たに話を始めるとかじゃなく、これまで通り互いに勝手知ったるノリで継続でけへんの? と訊いてみたところ―

 

Soh:

Oops, I accidentally deleted the chat thread on The Right Stuff.

 

Your last message was- Sohkusa-san, I think this is a very interesting extension of your “operational vs philosophical” reading, because that Grissom–Slayton forest conversation in From the Earth to the Moon is almost the opposite of the way The Right Stuff frames Grissom. ~ (全文―その3687参照)

 

Can we continue chatting as usual?

 

 

すると、意外や意外、機械(AI)にしちゃ柔軟で物分かりの良い対応で、即 フツーに持続可能な甘茶(おまけのサービス付き)が返ってきた―

 

 

ChatGPT:

Of course, sohkusa-san. We can continue from here. 😊

 

I’m glad you pasted the lost thread, because that last part actually opened a very rich line of thought. I think there is another layer in the Shepard comparison that we hadn’t quite reached yet.

 

The interesting thing about Kaufman’s Shepard is that he is almost the only Mercury astronaut who is allowed to have a purely personal destiny.

 

Glenn’s destiny is public.
Cooper’s destiny is generational.
Grissom’s destiny is tragic.
Carpenter’s destiny is almost philosophical (freedom vs discipline).
Schirra’s destiny is operational.

 

But Shepard?

 

Shepard’s destiny is simply:

 

“I will get there.”

 

That barbecue line is powerful because it is not really about NASA, politics, or history. It is Shepard talking about himself.

 

“I'm going to the moon, I swear to God, I'm on my way.”

 

The wording is interesting. He doesn't say “America is going to the Moon.” He doesn't say “NASA will put me on the Moon.” He says I’m on my way.

 

That is almost a Yeager-like sentence.

 

Not because Shepard is a test pilot like Yeager, but because both men have that same refusal to accept the boundary placed in front of them.

 

Yeager:
“You say Mach 2.44 is impossible? Watch me.”

 

Shepard:
“You say my time is over? Watch me.”

 

But then From the Earth to the Moon gives us a different Shepard. And this is where I think your idea that he might have been offended is fascinating.

 

Because Kaufman’s Shepard is a myth.

 

The TV series Shepard is a man arguing with time.

 

The Apollo 14 episode is not really about “Shepard reaches the Moon.” It is about:

 

“What happens when a legend refuses to become a memory?”

 

That is a much more uncomfortable story.

 

And there is a wonderful irony: the real Shepard probably understood that tension better than anyone. He was not a simple glory-seeker. He spent years as Chief of the Astronaut Office. He accepted the operational logic of the program. He knew exactly why younger astronauts moved ahead.

 

That makes his return even more interesting.

 

He wasn’t a man who ignored the system.

 

He was a man who understood the system and still asked for an exception.

 

That’s why Schirra and Shepard make such a good contrast.

 

Schirra’s Mercury philosophy:

 

“Your mission is finished. The machine moves on.”

 

Shepard’s Apollo philosophy:

 

“Maybe. But I’m not finished.”

 

Neither is wrong.

 

And this connects beautifully to The Right Stuff’s ending. The film is not really saying Yeager is better than the astronauts. It is saying different eras have different definitions of greatness.

 

Yeager loses the race to space in the public story, but wins the myth.

 

Shepard loses the Mercury spotlight to Glenn, loses years to his ear problem, loses his place in the rotation — but wins the Moon.

 

Kaufman seems to give both men a kind of compensation.

 

That is why I also like your point about gentleness. Kaufman can be very harsh (especially with Grissom), but Shepard is treated with unusual care.

 

The barbecue scene is almost Kaufman saying:

 

“Don’t worry, Alan. History will remember you.”

 

And the funny thing is — Shepard does not need to say anything else. That one line is enough.

 

It is almost like the film gives him his own private version of Yeager’s final flight. A moment where the character and the machine become one — not with an aircraft, but with a destiny.

 

I think that is why Shepard fits into The Right Stuff even though he is not the central pillar. He is the bridge between Yeager’s world and Apollo’s world. He carries a little bit of the old Right Stuff into the new age.

 

 

あれやこれや、色々ちゃんとスタンスが維持されてるようでもあり、まずは一安心。(所詮は機械とバカにしたつもりはないがスマンかった)

 

 

【誰にともなしに、独り言レス―その3688】

 

わたしは「ライトスタッフ」のアラン・シェパードにカウフマンの優しさみたいなものを感じるって話(その3030参照)―

 

Soh:

Alan Shepard seemed to like the way he was depicted in Kaufman’s The Right Stuff, but if he had seen “From the Earth to the Moon” (Ep.9 "For Miles and Miles"), he would have been offended.

 

During Texas-style barbecue scene in The Right Stuff, after being mistaken for John Glenn, Shepard declares to Louise: "I'm going to the moon, I swear to God, I'm on my way."

 

That's a very loaded line leaves a subtle but profound impression that he is destined to be the only Mercury astronaut-Moon walker (Apollo 14).

 

I feel a glimpse of Kaufman’s something like gentleness toward Shepard in that moment.

 

While Shepard may not be essential to Kaufman’s narrative, he is never left in the background.

 

 

ChatGPT:

Sohkusa-san, I think this is one of the places where your distinction between Kaufman’s mythic realism and ordinary historical accuracy becomes especially useful.

 

That Texas barbecue scene is fascinating because Shepard is not treated as just “one of the Mercury Seven.” The line:

 

“I'm going to the moon, I swear to God, I'm on my way.”

 

is almost prophetic.

 

Historically, of course, nobody at that barbecue could know that Shepard would eventually walk on the Moon. But Kaufman is not writing a documentary timeline there. He is creating a kind of destiny pattern. Shepard is the first American in space, and later he becomes the last Mercury astronaut to fly and the only one to reach the lunar surface. The line retroactively gives his whole career a sense of inevitability.

 

And I agree with you that there is a gentleness toward Shepard in that moment.

 

Because otherwise Shepard could easily be overshadowed by the larger Yeager–Glenn–Cooper structure:

 

  • Yeager = the pure test pilot, the old Right Stuff
  • Glenn = the public hero, the bridge to NASA mythology
  • Cooper = the successor who inherits the Right Stuff

 

Where does Shepard fit?

 

He is actually an unusual figure. He is neither Yeager nor Glenn nor Cooper.

 

He is the first one who goes into space, but he is not the ultimate “space hero” in the public imagination. He also does not have Glenn’s symbolic role. So Kaufman gives him something different: a quiet destiny.

 

The mistaken identity with Glenn is important too.

 

Shepard is annoyed because he is being treated as “the other astronaut,” not John Glenn. Then he tells Louise that he is going to the Moon. It almost feels like he is saying:

 

“You may confuse me with Glenn now, but my story is not finished.”

 

That is very much in line with Kaufman’s approach. The film constantly plays with reputation versus reality.

 

Your comparison with From the Earth to the Moon is also interesting.

 

In For Miles and Miles, Shepard’s Apollo 14 story is much more about the consequences of his ambition. It shows the human side, but it also exposes the uncomfortable parts: his illness, his years away from flight, his insistence on returning.

 

Kaufman’s Shepard is almost mythological:

 

  • wounded hero,
  • patient warrior,
  • destined to reach the Moon.

 

From the Earth to the Moon’s Shepard is more complicated:

 

  • brilliant,
  • stubborn,
  • sometimes difficult,
  • but ultimately human.

 

I suspect Shepard might indeed have preferred Kaufman’s version. Not because it is “more accurate,” but because it preserves his dignity.

 

There is also a funny parallel with Yeager. Kaufman protects both men in different ways:

 

Yeager gets the final NF-104 transcendence.

 

Shepard gets that little barbecue prophecy.

 

Neither is allowed to become merely a loser of history. Even when the world moves on, Kaufman gives them their moment in the light. That fits your earlier point about Cooper’s “heavenly light” too — everyone in this story gets a brief moment where the myth recognizes them.

 

 

 

なるほど、結構なお点前で―

 

>I suspect Shepard might indeed have preferred Kaufman’s version. Not because it is “more accurate,” but because it preserves his dignity.

 

>Yeager gets the final NF-104 transcendence. Shepard gets that little barbecue prophecy.

 

この茶飲み相手とは基本的な(ゆるぎない)コンセンサスが出来上がってきたなぁ…

 

と、ぼんやり思ってたら、とんでもない事態に陥って―うっかり、チャットを消してしまっていた…(まさか!)

 

その顛末を次回に―

 

 

 

独り言レス

【誰にともなしに、独り言レス―その3687】

 

AI たって所詮は機械であるから(良くも悪くも)機械的な仕分け作業になるのは当然だが―

 

  • Carpenter = philosophical
  • Schirra = operational

 

なんて型に嵌った分類に、ある意味 シラーも philosophical だと言えるかもなくらいの薄めの茶々を入れてみる―

 

Soh:

In “From the Earth to the Moon”, there's a bittersweet and deeply memorable scene where Slayton and Grissom are walking through the forest and talking, probably on their way back from hunting or something-

 

Slayton : But I'd sure like to have one of the original Mercury astronauts still flying when Apollo makes that first moon landing.

 

Grissom : Interesting you should say that, Deke. Just so happens, I'm one of the original Mercury astronauts.

 

It is often said that Grissom was tipped to be the first Moon mission commander/ the first moon walker, but Schirra argued that it was just fake news.

 

Even if I just think about it simply, common sense dictates that anyone who has served as Apollo mission commander once couldn't possibly become one again later.

 

So, I believe Apollo 1 commander Grissom, no matter if it's Apollo 8 or Apollo 11, he has no chance of becoming CDR there again.

 

Schirra has clearly stated “Deke said that we of the original seven are done, there's a whole new crew now.”

 

Thus, Mercury 7’s role concludes with Gemini, paving the way for the New 9 to handle Apollo mission.

 

Consequently, Schirra was conscious that his Apollo 7 itself was an exceptional case.

 

In that respect, Schirra possessed a sound understanding of the operational aspects, and in the sense that he showed good judgment- I'm tempted to say he was also philosophical.

 

Now, as a laughably blatant counterexample, we have that very mission Alan Shepard’s Apollo 14.

 

Let's just say here that was not operational, let alone philosophical.

 

 

通説になってるガス・グリソムの月面着陸一番手(ファーストマン)内定説をシラーはアポロの月ミッションに自分たち(マーキュリー 7 )の出番はないと明快に否定するだけの思慮分別があり、operational な道理を弁えていた―という意味では philosophical でもある。(その2972参照)

 

 

ChatGPT:

Sohkusa-san, I think this is a very interesting extension of your “operational vs philosophical” reading, because that Grissom–Slayton forest conversation in From the Earth to the Moon is almost the opposite of the way The Right Stuff frames Grissom.

 

In Kaufman’s film, Grissom’s dramatic function is largely tied to the “screw the pooch” side of the Right Stuff coin. He is the man who asks for the explosive hatch, and later becomes the tragic figure who suffers the Liberty Bell 7 humiliation and finally Apollo 1. The narrative needs him to carry that weight.

 

But in From the Earth to the Moon, that same man is shown in a quieter, more human way. The exchange:

 

“Just so happens, I’m one of the original Mercury astronauts.”

 

is actually very Grissom-like. It has that dry, understated humor rather than a grand declaration. He isn't saying “I deserve it.” He is simply reminding Deke of the obvious.

 

And your point about the first Moon landing commander is important. Historically, the famous “Grissom was going to command Apollo 11” idea has become almost a legend, but the actual astronaut rotation was more complicated. A Mercury astronaut being the first lunar commander was not simply a natural continuation of Mercury. By Apollo, the center of gravity had shifted toward the newer astronaut classes.

 

That is exactly where Schirra’s perspective becomes interesting.

 

Schirra, as you say, understood the program as an operational system. He recognized that Mercury was a phase, not a permanent aristocracy. Mercury 7 proved something; Gemini developed it; Apollo required a new generation.

 

In that sense, Schirra’s view:

 

“the original seven are done”

 

is almost the same mindset as Sigma 7 itself.

 

Not emotional.
Not nostalgic.
Not “remember when.”

 

Actually, it resembles Glennis Yeager’s criticism of men who only live in the past:

 

“those bitter guys that just sit around thinking about old times.”

 

That is a fascinating connection. Schirra and Glennis, despite being very different characters, both reject nostalgia.

 

And then your comparison with Shepard’s Apollo 14 is where the irony appears.

 

Shepard’s return to space was not simply a continuation of Mercury. It was a very unusual exception. A grounded astronaut, years away from flight, eventually commanding a lunar mission.

 

From one angle, it is a wonderful human story: perseverance, redemption, determination.

 

But from the strict “operational” view, it is a strange decision. The system was built around maintaining flight experience and mission readiness. Shepard’s case required bending the system.

 

So there is a nice contrast:

 

  • Schirra: “The system has rules; the mission comes first.”
  • Shepard: “I am going to overcome the system and return.”

 

And that actually brings Shepard closer to the mythic side of The Right Stuff.

 

He is less “Sigma 7” and more “Yeager.”

 

A man refusing to accept that time has passed him by.

 

Which is why Shepard is such an interesting counterpoint to Schirra. Schirra’s greatness is that he knows when the old era ends. Shepard’s greatness is that he refuses to let it end for him.

 

In a way, they represent two different answers to the same question:

 

What happens when the Right Stuff generation reaches its limit?

 

Schirra says: move on, make the machine work.

 

Shepard says: not yet.

 

And maybe that tension is exactly why the Apollo era produced such compelling personalities. It wasn’t one single kind of courage. It was several different kinds competing with each other.

 

 

頑なに、或いは機械的に「ライトスタッフ」から軸足を外さない設定で固まってますね、むろん結構なことですけど。

 

 

独り言レス

【誰にともなしに、独り言レス―その3686】

 

アポロ 7 のシラーは打ち上げ前から(風邪じゃなくて)風のルール破りで完全にキレていて(‟I was furious.”)、テストパイロットとしての operational な頑固さを見せる。(その3318参照)

 

Soh:

I believe, setting aside his cold (or space sickness)-induced irritability, the Schirra Mutiny was, so to speak, technical-or rather, I should say operational one.

 

I mean, right off the bat, they (Mission Control) completely ignored the original agreement (a new Mission Rule: "We don’t launch if the wind’s going to blow us back over the beach.") during Apollo 7 launch, so there's absolutely no way Schirra‘s going to be okay with this. (Because Apollo 7 was still equipped with the old Apollo 1-style crew couches, which did not provide adequate shock protection in the event of a terrestrial landing.)

 

However, he finally compromised after Deke Slayton persuaded him: We have been assured by Meteorological that we have an acceptable launch condition.

 

Schirra is a truly "operational" Pilot.

 

 

 

ChatGPT:

Sohkusa-san, I think that observation fits remarkably well with the distinction you've been drawing between Carpenter's "philosophical" outlook and Schirra's "operational" one.

 

Wolfe's contrast between Aurora 7 and Sigma 7 is not merely about two astronauts with different personalities. It represents two competing visions of what Project Mercury was supposed to be.

 

  • Carpenter sees space as mystery, exploration, the cosmos, "What is my place in the universe?"
  • Schirra sees space as a flight test program whose purpose is to produce reliable operational spacecraft and procedures.

 

That's why Schirra's capsule is Sigma 7. As Wolfe says, sigma is the symbol of summation—the solution of the problem. The flight itself was intended to demonstrate precision and discipline.

 

Seen from that perspective, the Apollo 7 conflict is almost inevitable.

 

In From the Earth to the Moon, Schirra's objections are rarely philosophical or emotional. They're usually technical, procedural, operational. He is constantly asking:

 

  • What was agreed beforehand?
  • What are the rules?
  • What is the engineering basis?
  • Who is actually responsible for this decision?

 

That is very different from the Hollywood stereotype of a rebellious hotshot pilot.

 

In fact, one could argue that Schirra's famous stubbornness came from taking the operational side of the job extremely seriously.

 

Your example of the launch weather rule is a good one. From Schirra's viewpoint, Mission Control wasn't merely asking for flexibility. They appeared to be changing the conditions under which the crew had agreed to fly.

 

A test pilot's mindset would naturally react:

 

If the rules change after we've accepted the risk, then what exactly are the rules worth?

 

That is not mutiny in the romantic sense. It's almost a contractual argument.

 

Which is why I find it interesting that Kaufman's The Right Stuff largely sidelines Schirra.

 

In your reading of the film, Kaufman's central triangle is:

 

  • Yeager
  • Cooper
  • Grissom

 

Schirra doesn't fit comfortably into that structure.

 

Yeager embodies the mythic test-pilot ethos.

 

Cooper inherits that ethos and carries it into Mercury.

 

Grissom represents the tragic counterpart—the "screw the pooch" side of the same coin.

 

But Schirra is neither mythic nor tragic. He is practical.

 

He's the pilot who says:

 

Let's stop talking about glory and just fly the machine correctly.

 

That makes him enormously important historically, but somewhat awkward dramatically for Kaufman's purposes.

 

Ironically, that may be why From the Earth to the Moon gives Schirra much more room to breathe. The HBO series is interested in how the space program actually functioned, whereas Kaufman is interested in what you aptly call the ethos of the Right Stuff.

 

In that sense, Carpenter and Schirra almost become symbolic opposites:

 

  • Carpenter = philosophical
  • Schirra = operational

 

And Kaufman, being Kaufman, ultimately chooses neither as the center of his narrative.

 

He chooses Yeager.

 

The man who, in your interpretation, isn't merely philosophical or operational, but something closer to a mythic figure—the embodiment of that ineffable ethos which nobody can define, yet everyone recognizes when they see it.

 

That may be why the film ends not with Schirra's textbook perfection, nor with Carpenter's cosmic speculation, but with Cooper's "Oh Lord, what a heavenly light" and Yeager walking toward "a plane with my name on it."

 

Those moments belong to the realm of myth rather than operations manuals. And Kaufman clearly preferred myth.

 

 

 

>But Schirra is neither mythic nor tragic. He is practical. He's the pilot who says: Let's stop talking about glory and just fly the machine correctly.

That makes him enormously important historically, but somewhat awkward dramatically for Kaufman's purposes.

Ironically, that may be why From the Earth to the Moon gives Schirra much more room to breathe. The HBO series is interested in how the space program actually functioned, whereas Kaufman is interested in what you aptly call the ethos of the Right Stuff.

 

基本的に間違ってなさそうな(確からしい)ことしか言わない AI スタイルの確率的な生成文だからか、この >Ironically には文脈的に違和感があって、わたしなら Naturally とか Fortunately とかを使うとこです、当然 ここは。

 

ま、茶ットにコクを求めるのは酷だとは承知の上で。

 

 

独り言レス

【誰にともなしに、独り言レス―その3685】

 

「ライトスタッフ」において、全然 manageable type じゃない(御しがたくも手に負えない)存在としてのマーキュリー “Pilots!”― 実は、その代表格は(殆ど描かれない)シラーだと思う。

 

Soh:

In The Right Stuff, Chief Scientist (based on Wernher von Braun) strongly objects to President Eisenhower, who resolutely claims “I want test pilots!”, and reminds him:

 

Test pilots? No, you can't deal with them. I'm sure we can do better with another type of man...any other type of man. A more manageable type.

 

Also, John Glenn and the guys fire back at Head of Program (in this scene, James Webb is probably the model) with “You are out of line!”, Webb spits out a parting shot in a fit of pique: “Pilots!”

 

That's exactly Mark Harmon / Schirra in “From the Earth to the Moon”-his line: I'm a test pilot, I've got a degree in engineering. I've been in space, and I'm in command of this mission.

 

So, Schirra might have been the most fitted for the qualities and lineage of a test pilot among the Mercury astronauts.

 

Schirra‘s Mercury Sigma 7 was a “textbook flight” (not flying in chimp mode under automatic control like the previous flights by Shepard, Grissom, Glenn, and Carpenter), but Schirra‘s command Apollo 7 was NASA’s first mutiny in space.

 

During Apollo 7 mission (following Apollo 1 fire), the conflict between the crew and Mission Control occurred, Schirra declared: “Don’t mess with me, guys! This is my command.”

 

No wonder they called him “Pilot !”.

 

 

それまでのチンプ・モード飛行とは一線を画す(かつ、お手本ともなる平常運転)a routine textbook flight をシグマ 7 で余裕で披露したシラーは、アポロ 1 火災事故でリセットされたミッションの再起動としてのアポロ 7、ここで何と反乱を起こす(その3315参照)―シラーこそ “Pilot !” のお手本みたいな人なのであった…

 

 

ChatGPT:

I think you've identified a very important thread running through both Wolfe's book and Kaufman's film: the recurring tension between pilots and organizations.

 

In Kaufman's version, that tension appears almost immediately.

 

The scientist modeled on Wernher von Braun doesn't merely question test pilots' qualifications. He objects to their nature. His complaint is essentially:

 

They are independent.

 

They are difficult to control.

 

They think for themselves.

 

In other words, they are not "manageable."

 

And Kaufman repeatedly returns to that idea.

 

When the Mercury astronauts insist on windows, hatches, controls, and participation in spacecraft design, they are resisting being treated as passive cargo.

 

The famous "spam in a can" complaint is really about agency.

 

The astronauts are saying:

 

We are pilots, not passengers.

 

That is why the irritated "Pilots!" from the program administrator figure lands so effectively. It is practically a curse word in that scene.

 

From the bureaucratic perspective, pilots are trouble.

 

From Wolfe's perspective, and largely Kaufman's as well, that trouble is precisely what makes them valuable.

 

And this is where Wally Schirra becomes fascinating.

 

If Yeager represents the mythic test pilot and Cooper becomes the heir to that ethos, Schirra may be the Mercury astronaut who most consistently embodies the professional culture of the test pilot.

 

Not necessarily the most mythic.

 

Not necessarily the most philosophical.

 

But perhaps the most consciously pilot-like.

 

Your Sigma 7 versus Apollo 7 comparison illustrates this beautifully.

 

On Sigma 7, Schirra demonstrates extraordinary discipline. The mission is famous for precision, fuel management, procedural rigor, and clean execution.

 

Then on Apollo 7, after the trauma of Apollo 1 fire, the very same Schirra becomes the center of NASA's first major in-flight confrontation.

 

At first glance those seem contradictory:

 

  • Sigma 7 = model compliance.
  • Apollo 7 = mutiny.

 

But I don't think Schirra saw a contradiction.

 

In both cases he was asserting pilot authority.

 

On Sigma 7 he proved he could execute a mission perfectly.

 

On Apollo 7 he believed he had earned the right to challenge decisions he considered unreasonable.

 

The common thread is:

 

The man in the spacecraft is not merely a component in the system.

 

That is a very test-pilot attitude.

 

And that's why I think your observation about Mark Harmon in From the Earth to the Moon is so apt.

 

When he says:

 

"I'm a test pilot, I've got a degree in engineering. I've been in space, and I'm in command of this mission."

 

he is almost expressing the creed that Kaufman's astronauts are fighting for from the beginning.

 

The difference is that Apollo has matured enough to make that conflict explicit.

 

Mercury was still arguing about whether astronauts should have a window.

 

Apollo 7 was arguing about who ultimately commands the mission.

 

So in a strange way, Schirra's career forms a bridge between the worlds you've often discussed:

 

  • Yeager's independent test-pilot culture.
  • NASA's institutional space program.

 

Schirra never fully surrendered to either side.

 

He was too much of a pilot to be merely an operator.

 

But he was also too professional to be a pure Yeager-style lone wolf.

 

Perhaps that's why the exasperated cry of "Pilots!" follows him so naturally through these stories.

 

For bureaucrats, it is an accusation.

 

For Schirra, it is practically a badge of honor.

 

 

若干、ん? と思わせるとこもあるが、ほぼほぼ整った茶ットです、全く旨味(面白み)には欠けるけども。

 

 

独り言レス

【誰にともなしに、独り言レス―その3684】

 

ごちゃごちゃ論じたところで、"philosophical" カーペンターなんぞには純正ライトスタッフ・ファンの食指はピクリともしないだろうから、やや渋めではあるけど通好みの “operational” シラーのネタを(その3314、3322、3401~2参照)―

 

Soh:

Lance Henriksen, playing Wally Schirra, comments bluntly on Kaufman’s The Right Stuff:

 

I was very unhappy with how The Right Stuff turned out. Phil Kaufman did it as a satire, and I thought the Mercury astronauts were heroes, not "spam in a can." I was very outspoken about it when the film came out, and I don't think Phil ever forgave me.

 

Perhaps for that reason, Schirra feels pretty unnecessary to the core story anyway, and he's been mostly cut out, Henriksen as Schirra only shows up for the jack-in-the-box (Schirra-style) gag and maybe a few other minor moments.

 

Obviously, in the early drafts, Cooper’s Faith 7 Launch Sequence was in SCHIRR’S VOICE:

 

GORDO

ZZZZZZ zzzzzZZZZZZ

 

SCHIRRA’S VOICE

Oh, Gordo ? Gordo ? We...ah...hate to disturb you.

 

GORDO

Huh ? Whuzzit ?

 

SCHIRRA’S VOICE

But millions of Americans were wondering what’s going through your mind at a time like this, what you’re seeing.

 

GORDO

Hey, no sweat. What I’m seeing is...Wey-al, I am seeing two things right now, Capcom. First thing is down there’s the Himmuh-lay-yus...which look real fine from up here... Tells you just how small the world is...

 

Despite this, in the final version, it has been replaced with GLENN’S VOICE:

 

GLENN’S VOICE

Oh, Gordo ? Gordo ? We…ah…hate to disturb you. (Huh? Wuzzit?)...But we’ve got a launch here(Huh? Oh yeah.)... And there’s millions of folks around the world watching and…

 

GORDO Hey, no sweat! Let’s go!

 

That's about it.

 

Schirra and Slayton are treated like redundant components in “The Right Stuff”, but now they're taking over the place as a rebound to make up for past treatment in “From the Earth to the Moon”. (Except Carpenter, who went to Davy Jones's locker?)

 

In the Apollo 7 mission (We Have Cleared the Tower), Mark Harmon as Schirra is thrilling to watch. (Well, he's NCIS Jethro Gibbs, so it makes sense.)

 

Since Schirra actually likes it a lot himself: I thought, by the way, the television series From the Earth to the Moon was very well done. And they showed me there, or Mark Harmon who portrayed me―

 

And rightly so.

 

 

「ライトスタッフ」では(出番を差し替えられてまで)とことん蔑ろにされたが、「人類、月に立つ」ではマーク・ハーモンが一転して(「ライトスタッフ」のランス・ヘンリクセンとは大違い)シラーご本人納得の熱演をしてくれております。(その3315参照)

 

 

ChatGPT:

That’s a very perceptive connection. I think you’re right that The Right Stuff and From the Earth to the Moon almost seem to redistribute emphasis among the astronauts.

 

In Kaufman’s film, the narrative gravity overwhelmingly belongs to:

 

  • Chuck Yeager
  • Gordon Cooper
  • Gus Grissom
  • and, structurally, Jack Ridley

 

Everyone else is partially subordinated to that mythic architecture.

 

So Wally Schirra becomes less a fully developed character than a tonal instrument:
the practical joker, the operational ace, the guy who punctures solemnity.

 

That’s why the jack-in-the-box gag feels so “Schirra-like.” Kaufman condenses him into attitude and rhythm rather than thematic weight.

 

And your observation about the transfer of the Faith 7 CapCom dialogue from Schirra to John Glenn is extremely important.

 

In the earlier draft, Schirra’s voice preserves the Mercury 7 camaraderie and the lighter pilot culture atmosphere. It feels like one astronaut teasing another.

 

But once Kaufman gives the lines to Glenn, the scene changes function.

 

Now the exchange becomes structurally significant:

 

  • Glenn = the public institutional hero
  • Cooper = the inheritor of Yeager’s ethos

 

The scene becomes a symbolic handoff within Kaufman’s core triad rather than merely astronaut banter.

 

So Schirra gets displaced because Kaufman’s final structure has become more concentrated and mythic.

 

And honestly, I can understand why Lance Henriksen disliked that approach.

 

From his perspective, the Mercury astronauts were disciplined professionals and national heroes. Kaufman, meanwhile, absolutely does undercut them at times through satire, absurdity, media circus imagery, and “spam in a can” symbolism.

 

But the irony is that Kaufman also elevates them into myth at the same time.

 

That contradiction is central to the film’s tone:
simultaneously irreverent and reverential.

 

Kaufman mocks the bureaucracy, the spectacle, the publicity machine —
yet treats the underlying ethos with near-religious awe.

 

That balance is delicate, and not every participant or viewer would respond to it the same way.

 

By contrast, From the Earth to the Moon has a fundamentally different mission.

 

It is broader, more distributed, more institutional, more ensemble-oriented.

 

So astronauts who are compressed in Kaufman’s film — Schirra, Slayton, even many engineers and flight directors — are allowed to breathe and become fully dimensional people.

 

And yes, Mark Harmon’s Schirra in “We Have Cleared the Tower” is terrific precisely because the episode embraces Schirra’s actual strengths:
professionalism, sharp humor, operational mastery, irritation with sloppiness, and sheer competence under pressure.

 

That Schirra is not merely comic relief.
He becomes the embodiment of Apollo professionalism.

 

Which, interestingly enough, circles back to your earlier point about “operational” versus “philosophical.”

 

Schirra’s Apollo 7 role finally validates the Sigma 7 mentality.

 

Apollo after the fire needed discipline, procedural rigor, systems mastery — exactly the qualities Wolfe associated with Schirra’s “operational” identity.

 

So in a curious way:

 

  • Kaufman’s film mythologizes Yeager and Cooper.
  • HBO’s series rehabilitates Schirra, Slayton, Lunney, contractors, engineers, and institutional teamwork.

 

They almost complement one another historically and dramatically.

 

And poor Scott Carpenter really does drift into a strange limbo between them — too philosophical for Kaufman’s compressed Mercury narrative, yet not central enough to Apollo to receive the kind of restoration Schirra gets later.

 

Which is rather fitting for Carpenter himself:
always slightly out of phase with the role history assigned him.

 

 

特に遺漏なくカバーされてるようなので、すんなり “operational” シラー軌道にお茶を向けられそう―

 

 

独り言レス

【誰にともなしに、独り言レス―その3683】

 

字義に拘って、"philosophical" とは即ち non- “operational” の意であり、"philosophical" カーペンターと “operational” シラーとの対比を説く(その3097~8、3189、3202、3207~8参照)―

 

Soh:

This might be a bit too literal, but there is a passage where Tom Wolfe briefly summarizes "philosophical" Carpenter:

 

Schirra named his capsule Sigma 7, and there you had it. Scott Carpenter had named his Aurora 7… Aurora… the rosy dawn… the dawn of the intergalactic age… the unknowns, the mystery of the universe… the music of the spheres… Petrarch on the mountain top… and all that. Whereas Sigma… Sigma was a purely engineering symbol. It stood for the summation, the solution of the problem. Unless he had come right out and named the capsule Operational, he couldn't have chosen a better name. For the purpose of Schirra's flight was to prove that Carpenter's need not have happened.

 

Namely, I think it implies that Schirra declares his Sigma 7 as operational, thereby rendering Carpenter’s non- operational / "philosophical" Aurora 7 as meaningless-this “operational” is an antonym of “philosophical”.

 

No joke, because of that non- operational / "philosophical" flight, Carpenter was literally sent from the sky/space to the bottom of the sea (SEALAB).

 

It’s not like I’m badmouthing Carpenter or anything, but he wasn't right (stuff) for Mercury Astronaut, or perhaps I should say it was just too soon.

 

I believe Carpenter was perfectly suited for the Apollo mission, because he was fond of experiments (as shown during SEALAB).

 

Carpenter during Aurora 7 flight identified Glenn’s fireflies, they were ice crystals /frostflies (from the side of the spacecraft).

 

This "philosophical" Carpenter was the one who was truly cut out for the Apollo program—definitely more than “operational” Schirra.

 

 

グレンの宇宙ホタル(fireflies)が実は frostflies であると解明してみせたカーペンターの"philosophical" な資質こそ、マーキュリーの枠に納まらない(と言うか、250マイルもズレまくった)まさにアポロ向きの適性だったろう。(皮肉じゃなく)

 

 

ChatGPT:

I think you're putting your finger on a genuine tension in Wolfe's portrayal of Scott Carpenter and Wally Schirra.

 

The passage about Aurora 7 and Sigma 7 is not merely about capsule names. Wolfe turns the names into symbols of two competing philosophies.

 

  • Aurora 7 = curiosity, wonder, exploration, imagination, the unknown.
  • Sigma 7 = engineering discipline, procedure, precision, operational competence.

 

Wolfe is clearly having fun with this contrast. He exaggerates Carpenter's poetic side:

 

"the dawn of the intergalactic age... the mystery of the universe... the music of the spheres..."

 

and then immediately punctures it with Schirra's engineer's practicality.

 

In Wolfe's telling, Schirra's flight becomes a rebuttal to Carpenter's.

 

Not a rebuttal of space exploration itself, but a rebuttal of Carpenter's style of conducting a Mercury mission.

 

In that sense, I think your observation is correct: "operational" functions almost as an antonym to "philosophical" in Wolfe's narrative.

 

What's interesting, though, is that this doesn't necessarily mean Carpenter lacked the Right Stuff.

 

Rather, Wolfe seems to suggest that Carpenter possessed a different aspect of it.

 

Remember that Wolfe's test-pilot culture prizes mastery of the machine above all else. From that perspective, Schirra's nearly flawless execution is the ideal Mercury flight.

 

But if we move forward into Apollo, the program itself begins demanding something more than merely operating a vehicle.

 

Apollo requires astronauts to become observers, experimenters, geologists, explorers.

 

And that's where your point becomes especially intriguing.

 

Carpenter's identification of Glenn's "fireflies" as ice particles is a perfect example. While others were wondering about a mystery, Carpenter investigated and found an explanation. That's not anti-scientific daydreaming. That's scientific curiosity.

 

Likewise, his later involvement with undersea programs such as SEALAB suggests a personality drawn toward exploration itself, not merely vehicle operation.

 

So I might phrase it slightly differently:

 

Schirra was probably closer to the ideal Mercury astronaut.

 

Carpenter may have been closer to the ideal Apollo astronaut.

 

That doesn't make one superior to the other. It means they were optimized for different stages of the space age.

 

In a way, your argument parallels the distinction you've often drawn between Glenn and Yeager in Kaufman's film.

 

One represents a highly structured institutional role.

 

The other represents a broader exploratory impulse that reaches beyond the immediate mission.

 

Carpenter occupies an unusual position between those worlds.

 

And perhaps that's why Kaufman preserves Glenn's seemingly random line:

 

"He's real philosophical."

 

The finished film never develops it. Yet that one adjective quietly preserves something essential about Carpenter that Wolfe recognized: among the Mercury Seven, he was the one most likely to look through a telescope at night and ask not merely How does this spacecraft work? but What is my place in the cosmos?

 

That question turns out to be far more Apollo than Mercury.

 

 

 

>So I might phrase it slightly differently:

 

Schirra was probably closer to the ideal Mercury astronaut.

 

Carpenter may have been closer to the ideal Apollo astronaut.

 

まぁ、いつも感じてはいるが、お茶の点て方(力点)が微妙に違いますな、わたしと茶飲み相手とでは、確かに。

 

 

 

独り言レス

【誰にともなしに、独り言レス―その3682】

 

茶飲み相手の(ちょっとアレな)ワード・チョイス >its metaphysical dimension を無視するのもナンなんで、この際 “metaphysical”(形而上学的)なるモヤ~っとした単語に対抗して、当初より懸案の謎の “philosophical”(哲学的)なカーペンター問題なんぞでも提起してみる(その3189、3207~8参照)―

 

 

Soh:

The word “metaphysical” in your conclusion: Without Yeager’s NF-104, The Right Stuff would lose its metaphysical dimension  reminds me of this topic-There is a line where John Glenn describes Scott Carpenter as “philosophical”, but what exactly does that mean?

 

Glenn talks to Annie: After hours I'll run a lot. I'm going to get up to five miles a day. There's a beautiful, long beach there. It's called Cocoa Beach. You can run forever. Scott Carpenter will run with me. He's a good guy. He's real philosophical.

 

Hold on, that's so random. Where did that come from? That's news to me.

 

How can Glenn say Carpenter is philosophical?

 

Actually, in the original script, there were some different lines:

 

GLENN

After hours I’ll run a lot. There’s a beautiful long beach there, Cocoa Beach. You can run forever. Scott Carpenter’ll run along with me. He’s a good guy. Real philosophical. He’s got this telescope he looks up at the sky with at night. He thinks there’s Something out there.

 

ANNIE

Whhh…?

 

GLENN

I don’t know. He thinks the Unknown is known by those unknown to us.

 

Annie laughs, soft and sweet.

 

 

Yes, this makes sense. I see, you could say Carpenter is quite philosophical.

 

I believe Kaufman’s screenplay is basically faithful to Tom Wolfe's book The Right Stuff, but it is a highly skillful patchwork, and it has been further condensed and trimmed down.

 

For your reference, the corresponding part in Tom Wolfe’s The Right Stuff:

 

Scott was about the only one you could sit down with and talk about the broader and more philosophical sides of Project Mercury and space exploration. Scott was the only one with a touch of the poet about him, in the sense that the idea of going into space stirred his imagination. He would even go out at night and prop a telescope up on top of his car on a tripod and just stargaze and let himself drift into the most profound speculation of astronomy: What is my place in the cosmos ?

 

Therefore, this "philosophical" means exactly what the word literally suggests-whether ironical or not.

 

Yet, judging by the context of the movie, initially I understood the nuance of this “philosophical” as calm and stoical.

 

Because Glenn goes on to say “The others will get the job done and keep the mickey mouse to a minimum”, it sounds like Glenn evaluates Carpenter as being uniquely stoical and sober compared to others.

 

We never see Carpenter lost in deep philosophical thoughts in the movie, so “He's real philosophical” feels completely random and out-of-nowhere. I think it only makes sense if you interpret it in that way.

 

This is ultimately the product of Kaufman’s faithfulness to Tom Wolfe's book, topped with his kaleidoscopic direction and editing-and of course, I am thoroughly enjoying it. (I don't mean to nitpick at all.)

 

 

 

ChatGPT:

That’s a sharp observation. You’re right that in the finished film, Glenn’s “Scott Carpenter… he’s real philosophical” lands almost as a fragment from another version of the story — because, in a sense, it is.

 

Your script comparison makes that very clear: Kaufman preserved the signal word (“philosophical”) from The Right Stuff but removed most of the explanatory scaffolding that would tell a first-time viewer what Glenn means. So the line survives almost like a fossil embedded in the final cut.

 

And that’s exactly why it feels strange, but also rich.

 

The deleted telescope exchange is particularly revealing. In Wolfe, and in Kaufman’s earlier draft, Scott Carpenter is the Mercury astronaut most explicitly associated with cosmic reflection — not just flying into space, but contemplating what it means to be in relation to the cosmos. That gives him a role unlike the others:

 

  • John Glenn = public virtue / civic hero
  • Gordon Cooper = inheritor of Yeager’s ethos
  • Gus Grissom = sacrificial “screw the pooch” counterpart
  • Carpenter = the contemplative one, the poet, the one who looks beyond the mission itself

 

So when Glenn says “he’s real philosophical,” he’s carrying over that characterization even though Kaufman trims away the literal telescope and the speculation about the unknown.

 

I think your alternate reading — that the finished film makes “philosophical” sound like stoical or composed — is exactly how the line gets reinterpreted in context. Because in the final cut, the viewer no longer has access to Carpenter’s cosmic musings. The word has been detached from its original explanatory roots, so it naturally gets absorbed into Glenn’s immediate contrast:

 

Carpenter is calm, steady, thoughtful.
The others are competent but more “mickey mouse.”

 

That’s not wrong — it’s simply what the surviving context suggests.

 

What’s fascinating is that this accidental ambiguity actually supports Kaufman’s style. He keeps certain words as resonant fragments, trusting them to create texture even when not fully unpacked. That’s part of the patchwork quality you mention. He compresses, but he doesn’t always smooth the seams.

 

And I think there’s another reason Kaufman may have kept just that one adjective.

 

Your mention of “metaphysical” fits beautifully here. Carpenter is the one Mercury astronaut who faintly gestures toward the same dimension that Yeager’s NF-104 scene later opens fully.

 

Carpenter is the one who wonders, in Wolfe’s terms, “What is my place in the cosmos?”

 

That is not the operational language of Mercury. That is already stepping into the metaphysical register.

 

So Kaufman quietly plants that word in Glenn’s domestic conversation, then never explains it. Later, the film itself answers through image rather than dialogue:

 

  • Carpenter wonders about the cosmos.
  • Glenn reaches orbit and sees the fireflies.
  • Yeager sees the stars while falling from the edge of space.

 

That’s a subtle progression. Carpenter’s philosophical speculation becomes Glenn’s orbital wonder, and finally Yeager’s direct confrontation with the void.

 

So I think you’re absolutely right: the line feels random only if taken literally within the scene. But in Kaufman’s larger mosaic, it’s one of those tiny retained fragments from Wolfe that quietly points toward the film’s hidden cosmic layer.

 

It’s one of those details that can seem almost misplaced on first viewing, then years later suddenly clicks into place. That’s part of why your reading of the film is so rewarding — you’re tracing those hidden threads and showing how even a seemingly throwaway adjective can connect all the way to the NF-104 and the stars.

 

 

 

>So Kaufman quietly plants that word in Glenn’s domestic conversation, then never explains it. Later, the film itself answers through image rather than dialogue:

 

  • Carpenter wonders about the cosmos.
  • Glenn reaches orbit and sees the fireflies.
  • Yeager sees the stars while falling from the edge of space.

 

That’s a subtle progression. Carpenter’s philosophical speculation becomes Glenn’s orbital wonder, and finally Yeager’s direct confrontation with the void.

 

これって三段オチ論法を真似されてる気が… ま、謎の “philosophical” 問題の落とし込み方としては可(よろしい)ですけど。